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[其他主题] 俄现役战略轰炸机的使用和改进专题--图-22M3M和图-160M的新雷达系统-Irbis 雷达衍生

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lxf11711 发表于 2012-6-28 17:13 | 显示全部楼层
Russia's military industrial complex can make a breakthrough in development of hypersonic technology and artificial intelligence in the near future, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Thursday on the sidelines of the Engineering Technologies 2012 forum at Zhukovsky near Moscow.

"When we are not bashful about creating things which could seem fantastic to society and to the expert community, we should set before us ambitious and forward-looking tasks," said Rogozin, who has special responsiblity for Russia's military-industrial complex.

Hypersonic flight development is one such field, he said.

"I hope that in the near future, we can concentrate our strength in this direction and create a scientific-technical task, which would lead to such a breakthrough," he said.

The Military Industrial Commission in the Russian government is also thinking about creating new materials and intellect which could "replace piloted systems, either for ground, air or sea forces," he said.

Rogozin first called for Russia to revive hypersonic flight research in May, during a visit to the Raduga design bureau near Moscow, citing U.S. work in the field and claiming this was a threat to Russia.

He later clashed with senior military figures in comments to the media, and appeared to doubt the need for a new long-range bomber for the air force, saying Russia should not follow the "American route" in bomber development
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120628/174284411.html
根据罗戈津的意思,俄罗斯未来要集中力量搞高超音速飞机了

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高潮音速。。。实现M2巡航就逆天了还高超音速  发表于 2012-6-29 00:25
一笑方圆 发表于 2012-6-28 20:25 | 显示全部楼层

按照这个情况来推测,难道下一代发动机将有革命性的进步?

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图160能够长时间开加力实现超音速飞行,在搞超巡有毛意义,自己不懂在那里乱说什么  发表于 2012-7-2 21:57
看好超巡版图160  发表于 2012-6-29 00:25
很难说,简单的把NK32升升级是不行的,按规划2020年前这东西要飞,那么大的飞机超巡都是很难的  发表于 2012-6-28 20:36
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-6-28 23:02 | 显示全部楼层
新建中的恩格斯机场跑道--远程战略空军驻扎地..
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北极睿熊 发表于 2012-7-2 17:51 | 显示全部楼层
[据俄罗斯新闻社网站2012年6月27日报道]今天,俄罗斯空军新任总司令维克托?#37030;达列夫少将(Maj. Gen. Viktor Bondarev)在纪念俄空军建立100周年的新闻发布会上表示,俄未来战略轰炸机PAK DA的一种设计草图已经完成,该机的战术和技术指标正在确定之中。不过他没有透露俄空军计划列装多少架PAK DA。

邦达列夫拒绝对俄副总理罗格津与俄军总参谋部在发展PAK DA问题上的矛盾发表任何评论。罗格津早先曾怀疑发展PAK DA的必要性,认为这种远程轰炸机在远未飞抵目标之前就会被防空系统击落;上周他又在自己的博客上表示:俄?#36208;美国的路线?#12289;制造一种类似美国B-2的轰炸机将是不受欢迎的,并重申了他早先的呼吁,即俄应当发展某种高超声速飞行器系统,而不是某种传统的远程轰炸机棗他的这个博客内容发表于俄总统普京明确要求工业界研制PAK DA之后几天。(中国航空工业发展研究中心 张洋
北极睿熊 发表于 2012-7-2 18:08 | 显示全部楼层
俄新网RUSNEWS.CN莫斯科7月2日电 俄罗斯空军代理副总司令亚历山大·切尔尼亚耶夫少将表示,远程航空兵新型前景航空系统将比以前的预期提前5年进入俄罗斯空军服役。

远程航空兵司令阿纳托利·日哈列夫此前曾表示,远程航空兵新型前景航空系统可能在2025年进入俄罗斯空军服役。

切尔尼亚耶夫在接受采访时说:“我认为,远程航空兵新型前景航空系统首批飞机大约2020年前进入空军。”俄罗斯国防部新闻处网站刊登了这次采访。

他说,对提前接装的这种乐观看法是因为远程航空兵前景航空系统的外型已经确定,目前正在继续从事战术技术任务方面的工作。他认为:“目前具备一切条件,以及时研制飞机并将它与图-95MS、图-160和图-22MZ一同列入高度可靠性飞机的队伍。”

他进一步说,除了研制前景战略轰炸机以外,远程航空兵还计划改进图-95MS、图-160和图-22MZ以及伊尔-78加油机。

lxf11711 发表于 2012-7-2 19:15 | 显示全部楼层
The Russian Air Force may receive its first PAK DA next generation long-range bomber about 2020 instead of 2025 as initially planned, Russia’s acting deputy Air Force commander, Major General Alexander Chernyayev, has said.

“I think the first models of the Prospective Air Complex for Long Range Aviation (PAK DA) will be supplied to the Air Force approximately by 2020,” Chernyayev said in an interview published on the Russian Defense Ministry website late last week.

Russia's Long Range Aviation commander, Major General Anatoly Zhikharev, has said the Air Force could receive the new strategic bomber in 2025.

The general look of the new strategic bomber has already been worked out, and engineers are currently finishing work on aircraft specific operational requirements, Chernyayev said.

“We have everything today to develop the plane on time and put it into operation together with [Tupolev] Tu-95MS Bear, Tu-160 Blackjack and Tu-22M3 Backfire [strategic bombers], which have proven their high reliability,” he added.

Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered development of the new long-range strategic bomber to be sped up in mid-June.

“I know how expensive and complex this is,” Putin said during a conference on defense orders. “The task is not easy from a scientific-technical standpoint, but we need to start work,” he said, adding that otherwise, Russia could miss the boat.

Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov has said previously that a new aircraft assembly line in Russia's Kazan plant (KAPO) would build PAK DA and the new Antonov An-70 propfan transport aircraft. The same plant previously built the Tu-95MS and Tu-160.

Currently, only Russia and the United States operate intercontinental range bombers. Most other nuclear-capable nations rely solely on intercontinental ballistic missiles, based on submarines or in land-based silos, or cruise missiles. The United States has expressed an interest in successor systems to its B-1, B-2 and B-52H long-range bombers.

Chernyayev also said in his interview the Russian Air Force was planning to modernize its Tu-95MS, Tu-160 and Tu-22MS bombers, as well as Ilyushin Il-78 Midas air-to-air refueling tanker aircraft.

Russia’s strategic air forces operate a total of 63 Tu-95MS and 13 Tu-160 bombers. Altogether, they are capable of carrying 850 long-range cruise missiles.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120702/174358197.html
LS消息的全文,8年不到首架PAK DA要服役,指标还定的那么高??

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毛子的嘴炮乃还不懂么?  发表于 2012-7-3 08:21
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-7-2 19:41 | 显示全部楼层
lxf11711 发表于 2012-7-2 19:15
The Russian Air Force may receive its first PAK DA next generation long-range bomber about 2020 inst ...
“I think the first models of the Prospective Air Complex for Long Range Aviation (PAK DA) will be supplied to the Air Force approximately by 2020,” Chernyayev said in an interview published on the Russian Defense Ministry website late last week.


俄空军要想在2020年接收第一批PAK-DA, 2015年原型机就必须得开造,2017年必须得首飞。
lxf11711 发表于 2012-7-2 19:49 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-7-2 19:41
俄空军要想在2020年接收第一批PAK-DA, 2015年原型机就必须得开造,2017年必须得首飞。

看来罗戈津之前的话真的是在FP了。。。。

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罗戈津根本不懂航空技术,至多是CD空版初级军迷的水平。  发表于 2012-7-2 22:23
lxf11711 发表于 2012-7-4 16:07 | 显示全部楼层
俄罗斯下一代轰炸机的交付时间将从2025年提前到2020年
2012-07-04[据美国《空中打击》网站2012年7月2日报道]俄罗斯空军副司令Alexander Chernyayev少将近日表示,俄罗斯空军将会在2020年左右、而不是最初计划的2025年接收首批新一代轰炸机PAK DA。
Chernyayev于上周在俄罗斯国防部网站上向外界透露,首架PAK DA轰炸机样机将会在2020年前交付给俄罗斯空军。他同时透露,PAK DA的初步设计方案已经制订完毕,目前研究人员正在最后确定该机的作战性能需求。Chernyayev认为,目前俄罗斯国内已经具备一切必要的条件,以保证能按照相关的时间节点推出新一代轰炸机,并使其与现役的图-95MS、图-160和图-22M3轰炸机配合作战。

在此之前,俄罗斯空军远程航空兵司令员Anatoly Zhikharev曾表示俄空军将会在2025年接收首架PAK DA。但是在6月中旬,俄罗斯总统普京下令要加速新一代战略轰炸机的研发。(中国航空工业发展研究中心  陈黎 责编鲁)
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-7-8 14:49 | 显示全部楼层
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改进型图-22M3和图-160的新雷达系统。

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估计是了。  发表于 2012-7-8 15:28
好像就是苏35上面的雪豹扩大版本?  发表于 2012-7-8 15:14
btxqxp 发表于 2012-7-19 11:54 | 显示全部楼层
From Russia get the newest trainer for Tu-160 pilots
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July. Air Force (Air Force) Russia will soon receive the latest simulator for training crews of strategic bombers Tu-160, RIA Novosti reported. This was told by the commander of the Russian Air Force long-range aviation Lt. Gen. Anatoly Zhikharev.

"I think in the near future he (the trainer) will go to the troops," - he said. According Zhikharev, training complex on the basis of this simulator will be deployed at the airfield in Engels (Saratov region).

The commander added that the Air Force currently has simulators for training crews of Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3. Training Centre, where trained crews of these types currently deployed in Ryazan.

Zhikharev stressed that the resources of the new simulator for the Tu-160 will use to train the entire crew at once. In addition, the simulator will be the latest group to train flight crews of strategic bombers, the general said.

Tu-160 - multimode strategic bomber-missile designed to strike enemy targets with low and high altitudes. By design, it is a cantilever monoplane with a variable geometry wing.

Is the largest in the history of military aviation supersonic aircraft and aircraft with variable geometry wings, the most powerful and heaviest combat aircraft in the world, has the largest among the maximum takeoff weight of bombers and combat stress. As part of the Russian Air Force currently has 16 Tu-160.

俄罗斯将很快收到全新的图-160轰炸机模拟器

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网址:http://www.aex.ru/news/2012/7/17/96806/  发表于 2012-7-19 12:06
GE大神 发表于 2012-7-19 17:57 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-6-28 23:02
新建中的恩格斯机场跑道--远程战略空军驻扎地..
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很好奇新的如何布局
 楼主| JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2012-7-29 09:20 | 显示全部楼层
图-22M3M,


注意挂点和挂架.........

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又见老航弹  发表于 2012-7-29 19:39
还是之前的四个外挂点嘛……  发表于 2012-7-29 18:50
和M2没啥区别啊?还特意去看了08年的图....  发表于 2012-7-29 09:43
很厉害啊,有95MS一半的能力,4枚KH101  发表于 2012-7-29 09:32
btxqxp 发表于 2012-7-29 09:56 | 显示全部楼层

补剩下的9张图
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升级后的飞机不同,在领航员/操作舱的座舱,改装上新的瞄准和导航系统

也有改进的符合人体工程学的驾驶舱
http://www.vz.ru/photoreport/590586/649847.html

lxf11711 发表于 2012-8-2 17:02 | 显示全部楼层
[俄罗斯《世界武器贸易分析中心》网站2012年7月27日报道]    7月26日在莫斯科“Росбалт”通讯社新闻中心举行的圆桌会议中,大多数专家表示俄罗斯需要第五代战略轰炸机。这次圆桌会议的主题是:俄罗斯远程(战略)轰炸机的发展未来——从世界上第一种俄罗斯轰炸机“伊里亚•穆罗梅茨”到远程航空兵未来航空综合体(PAK DA)。
    《国家防御》杂志社主编伊戈里•科罗特琴科指出,战略核力量的空中组成部分最适合在紧急情况下向对手发出信号:俄罗斯武装力量具备完成战争条件下任何任务的必需潜力。
    科罗特琴科认为,新型飞机应具备多功能性是完全显而易见的,对于一个国家来说,武器系统专业化范围窄带来的损失非常巨大。因此,实际上任何系统都应当作为解决各种各样任务的平台研制,正是这种观点应当引入PAK DA的研制基础。
    科罗特琴科认为,在PAK DA的科学研究工作阶段应当研究任何的、甚至是目前最具革命性的想法,直到能够突破敌方防空系统的巡航导弹载机。
    他强调指出,新飞机应当能够完成洲际间任务。它应当是智能化飞机,具备与空军以及更高级司令部系统内所有指挥环节交换信息的能力。
    专家认为,为了能够在2018-2020年开始制造一些试验样机,以及在2025-2030年起动批量生产,应当在2020年国家武器装备计划中专门为PAK DA项目拨款。据科罗特琴科估计,俄罗斯对新型战略轰炸机的总需求量是34-40架。
    同时,政治和军事分析研究所所长亚历山大•沙拉文指出,现在正在开始PAK DA的设计工作,如果以前称这种飞机应在2025年前出现,那么现在来说飞机应在2020年前问世。
    之前,在出席俄空军成立100周年纪念日准备会议时,俄罗斯总统普京将PAK DA研制项目称作优先任务之一。普京指出,“我们面临要展开远程航空兵未来综合体的相关工作。我知道这要花费很多资金,工作非常复杂,而且从科学技术观点来说这项任务不轻松,但是我们需要开始进行这项工作。”
http://express.cetin.net.cn:8080 ... 08&docno=122757
btxqxp 发表于 2012-8-8 15:48 | 显示全部楼层
The first representative of the PAC will be OK in 10 years
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Tests of promising aviation complex long-range aircraft will begin in 2022, said the commander of the Russian Air Force long-range aviation Lt. Gen. Anatoly Zhikharev
"I think that 2022 will be the first aircraft will begin testing" - said A.Zhiharev Tuesday at a meeting of the "round table" "On the role and importance of new materials and technologies in the creation and development of military aviation," the All-Russian Scientific Research Institute Aviation Materials (VIAM) in Moscow.
He said the preliminary design of the new aircraft has been completed and signed, is now beginning development work on it.
He also noted that the development of new promising aviation complex long-range aviation (PAK-DA) of great importance is given to composite materials "in order to reduce the effective reflecting surface."
A.Zhiharev also added that in the long-range aircraft are being upgraded all types of aircraft, in particular, work is underway to extend the life of long-range bombers, Tu-160 bombers and 30.
"Modernization of the first phase has already begun on all three types of aircraft, in-depth modernization of the Tu-160, development work will begin in 2016," - said Lieutenant General.
He said that an in-depth modernization will soon 10 aircraft, after which they will get new instruments and avionics. "It will be a totally different plane", - said A.Zhiharev.

PAK-DA2022年开始测试....
但是,图-160的改进工作说是在2016年开始?!!
那之前说的在2020年前改进超过10架图-160的话,又是放空炮?4年时间改进超过10架么??
我不知道说什么好了......

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第一阶段就像图-22M3M那样改进座舱和大部分航电,第二阶段是上那个雪豹-E雷达的放大版么?之前贴出来的一个PDF说雪豹-E放大版在2年内装到图-160和图-22M3上进行测试.... 所以认为那架图-22M3M的雷达还是旧型号的...   发表于 2012-8-8 16:44
那个将军的原意: 三个机型的第一阶段改进已经开始。 深度改进(图-160)2016年开始(第二阶段?)  发表于 2012-8-8 16:38
不必纠结,只有俄罗斯人才明白自己到底在做什么,我们外人只有等着看的份儿。  发表于 2012-8-8 16:06
蘑菇炖豆腐 发表于 2012-8-28 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
http://rusnews.cn/eguoxinwen/eluosi_anquan/20120827/43540062.html
俄副总理:俄罗斯前景战略轰炸机将是超音速飞机
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俄新网RUSNEWS.CN莫斯科8月27日电 俄罗斯副总理罗戈津周一声明说,俄罗斯前景战略轰炸机将是超音速飞机。

罗戈津在“俄罗斯24小时”电视频道直播节目期间说:“我认为,我们应当走超音速技术的路,我们在这方面前进并没有落后于美国。这种技术我们将应用在制造新型轰炸机上。”

他还说,俄罗斯需要远程航空兵。“问题只在于,我们是否要借鉴美国40年来的经验并制造一架类似B-2型轰炸机的飞机,还是我们将走其它的现代最尖端技术的路,看看视野范围内,哪些飞机能够突破反导系统和防空系统,载炸弹飞到任何一个侵略者的境内”。

早前,远程航空兵司令阿纳托利·日哈列夫曾表示,远程航空兵新型前景航空系统可能在2020年进入俄罗斯空军服役。目前研究人员将开始试验设计工作。
亘古匆匆 发表于 2012-8-28 19:36 | 显示全部楼层
JSTCVW09CD 的发言咋被禁止了呢?????
bishopussr 发表于 2012-8-28 20:57 | 显示全部楼层
亘古匆匆 发表于 2012-8-28 19:36
JSTCVW09CD 的发言咋被禁止了呢?????

劣迹斑斑,被请回精神祖国去了
北极睿熊 发表于 2012-9-3 21:48 | 显示全部楼层
道]  俄罗斯副总理德米特里周一提出:俄罗斯空军未来的战略轰炸机(PAK  DA)将是高超声速飞机。
德米特里说:我认为,我们需要高超声速技术,我们在这个方向上并不比美国落后,我们将在研制新型轰炸机时采用这些技术。

俄罗斯需要远程轰炸机,问题是我们是模仿美国的经验研制40年前的类似于B-2的轰炸机,还是采用最现代化的技术,能够突破敌人的防空力量,到达任何需要的区域。

早先俄罗斯空军总指挥阿纳托里说:第一批PAK DA将在2020年前进入空军,目前其研制工作正处于试验设计阶段。(中国航空工业发展研究中心  张慧)
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