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[战略战术导弹] 东风五号洲际导弹系列

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祖国之翼 发表于 2012-8-7 19:32 | 显示全部楼层

当年的飞船是3400KG

风暴1号顶多也就3100KG能力吧
 楼主| shh 发表于 2012-8-8 15:43 | 显示全部楼层
祖国之翼 发表于 2012-8-7 19:32
当年的飞船是3400KG

风暴1号顶多也就3100KG能力吧

当年的FB1的LEO也就1500的样子。打洲际导弹弹道大概3200. 飞船还是要DF6。
祖国之翼 发表于 2012-8-8 17:01 | 显示全部楼层
shh 发表于 2012-8-8 15:43
当年的FB1的LEO也就1500的样子。打洲际导弹弹道大概3200. 飞船还是要DF6。

3100是之前做过的两次弹头投掷的重量,打飞船还是太吃力

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shh
是的。所以说洲际导弹弹道,关机速度大约是入轨速度的90%。打飞船不行的。那时候的长2比现在还是差多了  发表于 2012-8-9 14:18
恩,那段时间里风暴比长2运力大。但最大搭载质量出现在亚轨道试验里,没有宇航价值咩。  发表于 2012-8-8 22:21
让钢铁飞翔 发表于 2012-8-23 22:30 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 让钢铁飞翔 于 2012-8-23 22:40 编辑

Bill Gertz说,8月20日,从五寨试射了一枚东风五甲:
http://freebeacon.com/chinese-missile-tests-continue/
Chinese Missile Tests Continue
China conducts third long-range missile test in 4 weeks
BY: Bill Gertz
August 23, 2012 5:00 am

China’s military continued its string of strategic missile flight tests on Monday by firing off a third intercontinental ballistic missile in four weeks, according to U.S. officials
四周内的第三发
U.S. military sensors detected the latest flight test, which took place in the early morning hours at China’s Wuzhai Missile and Space Test Center, near the town of Wuzhai in northwestern Shanxi province, about 267 miles southwest of Beijing.
美国的数据表明,是在凌晨发射的
The missile was tracked to impact range in the western Chinese desert and was identified as a CSS-4 Mod 2 silo-based ICBM.
东五甲?
It followed the first flight test of a new road-mobile DF-41 multiple-warhead missile on July 24 and the test firing of a new submarine-launched ballistic missile, the JL-2, which is also assessed to be capable of carrying multiple warheads.
7.24 DF-41  及JL-2之后第三次
It could not be learned if the CSS-4, also called the DF-5A, was assessed to have tested or was configured for multiple warheads or dummy warheads used to fool missile defenses.
不清楚东五甲是否有多弹头能力
U.S. intelligence analysts have said that China is expected to field multiple warhead missiles in the near future. One reason for upgrading from single warhead missiles is China’s concern that U.S. missile defenses in the future could render the single-warhead arsenal impotent.

For example, a recently translated Chinese military report stated that U.S. plans to develop multiple kill vehicle anti-missile interceptors “poses a new threat to defense penetration by ballistic missiles.” The report called for increasing missile warhead penetration by using stealth warhead designs and adding warheads or dummy warheads that can confuse missile defense targeting sensors.
研发多弹头的目的是对抗导弹防御系统
The Pentagon did not confirm the three flight tests publicly due to restrictions on discussing intelligence matters, a military spokesman said.

But a senior defense official said the tests aren’t “ringing alarm bells. And it’s not at all certain that … the Chinese have exactly perfected all of their missile technologies. That may explain some of the recent testing.”

It is not known if the three recent flight tests were successful, but officials said initial indications from sensors were that the missiles did not fail in flight.
不能证实这几次是否成功,但至少没掉
A third U.S. official said the tests highlight China’s growing strategic missile arsenal, forces that remain shrouded in secrecy and appear to be moving in the direction of developing a “first strike” attack capability.
有官员怀疑中国正转向“第一次打击”
China officially has claimed its nuclear forces are mainly “second strike” weapons that would be used to respond to a nuclear attack on China.

China’s communist rulers have said China would not be the first to use nuclear weapons in a conflict.

However, that policy has been questioned by the Pentagon due to statements from Chinese military officials who have discussed the use of nuclear weapons against the United States that were not a response to a U.S. nuclear attack, such as long-range, precision, conventionally armed cruise missile strikes.
以核武器回应常规远程精确打击
By contrast, defense officials have said unusual Air Force delays in conducting a U.S. strategic missile test is a sign that policy officials in the Obama administration may be putting off the missile tests for political, rather than technical, reasons.

A U.S. Minuteman III ICBM was set for earlier this year in California. But the test was delayed three times, ostensibly for technical and range safety concerns.

A defense official said political interference and concerns about Chinese and Russian reactions to the Minuteman test were behind the delays, not just the technical problems.

Spokesmen at the Air Force Global Strike Command, which is in charge of the Minuteman III test, disputed that political factors were behind the test delay and said technical and range safety issues were the reason. The missile test is now set for Nov. 14.

Russia, too, is building a new long-range missile and has not hesitated to carry out tests of both submarine-launched missiles, which have had problems, and a missile that Russian officials have said is designed to penetrate U.S. missile defenses.
各种给奥黑脸上贴金的话
The Chinese missile flight tests coincide with the visit to the Pentagon this week by Chinese Lt. Gen. Cai Yingting, deputy chief of the general staff of the Communist Party-controlled People’s Liberation Army, and four other generals. It could not be learned if Cai will be questioned on the missile tests during meetings with senior Army and defense leaders.

Analysts said the most recent ICBM test was significant.

“It is likely that a CSS-4 Mod 2 or DF-5 Mod 2 would be the same as the DF-5B, which was said to me in 2010 to be the multiple warhead version of the DF-5,” said Richard Fisher, a Chinese military affairs specialist.
东五甲和东五乙一样,是多弹头的
“So it is possible that in just one month’s time the PLA has tested two new multiple warhead land-based ICBMs and one submarine launched SLBM that could eventually carry multiple warheads,” said Fisher, with the International Assessment and Strategy Center.

“At a minimum, the PLA wants to tell us that it will be pointing more nuclear warheads our way and faster.”

Hans M. Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the private Federation of American Scientists, said the CSS-4 test indicates that the Chinese plan to keep their older, liquid-fueled missiles in the arsenal instead of replacing them with solid-fuel missiles that are more rapidly fired.
试射表明中国将走固液共存的道路
Kristensen also said the CSS-4 is a likely candidate for multiple warheads.

“The U.S. intelligence community has stated for more than a decade that China for years has had the capability to develop and deploy multiple warheads, if it decided to do so, and that the CSS-4 would be the most likely carrier,” he said.

“One of the factors that has the potential to trigger such a decision would be a U.S. missile defense system that, combined with advanced conventional strike capabilities, could weaken Chinese leaders confidence in the reliability of their retaliatory nuclear force,” Kristensen said.

China’s current deployment of mobile, more survivable DF-31 and DF-31A ICBMs “probably makes it less likely that China would see a need to deploy multiple warheads on their missiles, although deployment of penetration aids or decoys might be more likely,” he said.

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难道是延寿测试?  发表于 2012-8-27 17:39
huangzhongsong 发表于 2012-8-24 15:39 | 显示全部楼层

中国20日试射一枚东风5洲际导弹 4周内3次发射

【环球网综合报道】2012年8月23日,华盛顿自由灯塔网站(freebeacon.com)发表美国资深媒体人比尔-戈茨(Bill Gertz)文章,详细报道了中国在四周之内试射三枚导弹的细节,以及美国各方的评论。现将文章主要内容编译如下:

据美国官方报道,8月20日,中国继续进行战略导弹发射系列试验,这是中国在四周内的第三次试验。美国军用传感器探测到中国于清晨时分在距北京西南267英里的陕西省某导弹和空间试验中心进行了发射试验,美国判断这是采用发射井方式的“东风-5A型”(北约代号CSS-4 Mod 2),射向了中国西部的沙漠地区。该导弹与7月24日中国试射的新型“东风-41”型陆基机动洲际弹道导弹和新型潜射“JL-2”导弹一样,均可携带多弹头,也可作为诱饵弹头欺骗导弹防御系统。

美国情报分析家认为,中国将装备多弹头导弹,主要原因是应对美国导弹防御系统对单弹头导弹的有效防御。例如,近期的一份中国军事译文声称,由于美国计划发展新型反导武器——“多重杀伤载具”(MKV),中国通过改进弹头设计、增加弹头数量并配合使用假弹头,扰乱美国反导系统的传感器,从而提高导弹弹头的穿透力。

五角大楼并不确定这三次试射情报来源的准确性,一位资深防务官员认为试射并没有“拉响警报”,根本不能证明中国已经掌握了所有必备导弹技术。一位美国官员声称,虽然没有确认这三次试射是否成功,但是根据传感器显示,导弹飞行没有失败。另一位官员认为,试射表明中国致力于提高首次核打击能力。此前,中国称其核部队主要是“二次打击”武器,用来应对针对中国的核攻击,中国也一再强调中国将不会在冲突中首先使用核武器。但是,据传由于中国讨论过使用核武器应对美国远程精确常规巡航导弹打击,而非针对核打击的核反击,五角大楼一直质疑这一方针。

美军认为空军的战略导弹试射相对滞后,归咎于奥巴马政府将导弹试射作为政治手段,而非技术和战术手段。今年早些时候,空军已经在加利福尼亚部署了一枚“民兵-3”型洲际导弹,但是试验却推迟了三次,表面上是出于技术和射程安全的考虑。一位军方官员透露,民兵导弹试射推迟,是由于对中国和俄罗斯的政治顾虑,并不是技术问题。空军全球打击司令部发言人解释说,推迟试射并非政治原因,技术和安全问题才是真正的原因,导弹试射定于11月14日进行。俄罗斯也在建设新型远程导弹,计划两次潜射导弹试验,其中一枚设计穿透美国的导弹防御系统。

中国本周的导弹试射正值中国人民解放军副总参谋长蔡英挺中将和其他4名将军访问五角大楼,没人知道蔡是否被美军高官问及导弹试射一事。中国军事事务专家理查德-费舍尔(Richard Fisher)认为,最近的一次导弹试射意义重大,“CSS-4(东风5A型)和东风5B型相同,都是东风系列的多弹头型”。“一个月时间内解放军试射了2枚多弹头陆基洲际导弹和1枚潜射弹道导弹”。至少是要告诉我们将有更多的核弹头指向美国。

美国原子能科学家联合会主任汉斯-克里斯滕森(Hans M. Kristensen)认为CSS-4试射表明中国计划用固体燃料导弹替代陈旧的液体燃料导弹库,CSS-4是中国未来多弹头导弹的候选型号;美国情报机构已经关注中国的多弹头发展近10年,如果中国愿意,CSS-4就是多弹头的运载工具。中国公路机动式“东风-31”和“东风-31A”洲际弹道导弹的发展,可能刺激中国产生多弹头导弹的需求,同样,生产穿透目标的诱饵弹头也会水到渠成。(战略网/长风)
http://news.qq.com/a/20120824/001097.htm

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译者有意忽略了有关核战略转向“第一次打击”的猜测  发表于 2012-8-24 23:28
士可杀不可卤 发表于 2012-8-24 16:10 | 显示全部楼层
东风-5A型是多弹头???????不大可能吧
lvshoutao 发表于 2012-8-24 16:29 | 显示全部楼层
士可杀不可卤 发表于 2012-8-24 16:10
东风-5A型是多弹头???????不大可能吧

DF-5A本来就是单弹头
JK-SETI 发表于 2012-8-24 17:46 | 显示全部楼层
美国的评估一直是:

CSS-4 Mod 1 = DF-5 东风-五

CSS-4 Mod 2 = DF-5A东风-五甲(增程/单弹头)
Liss 发表于 2012-8-25 03:35 | 显示全部楼层
I believe that:

CSS-4 = DF-5 东风-五
CSS-4 Mod 1 = DF-5A = 东风-五甲
CSS-4 Mod 2 = DF-5B = 东风-五乙
JK-SETI 发表于 2012-8-25 10:44 | 显示全部楼层
Liss 发表于 2012-8-25 03:35
I believe that:

CSS-4 = DF-5 东风-五

To begin with "CSS-4 Mod 0", or "CSS-4" is indeed a logical path for the U.S. IC to follow, but in Military Power of the People's Republic of China 2005, p. 28, we have:
mod-1.JPG

also mentioned were "enhanced silo-based CSS-4 ICBMs (currently deployed)", "replacement of the older, silo-based CSS-4 Mod 1 with the longer range CSS-4 Mod 2"(p. 29).
http://www.defense.gov/news/Jul2005/d20050719china.pdf
For a recent referrence, National Security and Nuclear Weapons in  the 21st Century (September 2008), we also see "CSS-4 Mod 2 (DF-5A)", p. 7.
http://www.defense.gov/news/nuclearweaponspolicy.pdf
mir-2 发表于 2012-11-8 22:31 | 显示全部楼层
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东五甲发射成功


李旭阁


早已名声扬四海,

壮志凌云再攀登。

腾飞今了平生愿,

直捣黄龙若等闲。


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可以说, 没有李旭阁的坚持, 就没有东五甲. 将军已逝, 英名永传!  发表于 2012-11-9 08:02
zfss 发表于 2012-11-24 17:11 | 显示全部楼层
有个问题,55基地打过DF5吗
hnxsyw 发表于 2012-11-24 17:30 | 显示全部楼层
@紫金山天文台王思潮  : 2012年11月11日中国西南地区扇状UFO与1995年7月26日重大UFO事件有些相似,1995年7月26日UFO在演变过程也出现过扇状波纹状现象。

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我真怀疑这家伙是在揣着明白装糊涂,他既然在天文台工作不可能不了解火箭发射后的那些现象。另外过去的几次预言,让我觉得似乎是二炮中有人给他透了发射信息。  发表于 2013-3-4 23:29
95年那次是动物家药饵。反正飞起来跟二饼也差不多。  发表于 2012-11-24 22:00
1995年那个没准也是火箭发射。  发表于 2012-11-24 20:15
11.11那个应该是欧空局的火箭发射  发表于 2012-11-24 17:31
kktt 发表于 2012-12-28 13:42 | 显示全部楼层
http://210.82.31.84:9000/rp/fs/cp/98/36/20121225/3/content_1.htm

记得在讨论“东五”的起飞重量和弹体直径时,我们从国情实际以及导弹与航天飞行器相结合等原则出发,选择了较大起飞重量和弹体直径的方案,即按铁路有关标准的最大可能和允许的尺寸来选定直径;按当时发动机实际性能与结构件重量水平,选定了较大的起飞重量。讨论中,有专家以美国大力神洲际导弹为例,认为应该减小起飞重量,屠老总开始也持有类似看法,但当他仔细听取了汇报后,转而支持我们提出的方案。
    历史事实证明,“东五”的成功为发展我国长征系列火箭和发射神舟系列载人飞船、嫦娥系列卫星等打下了良好而牢固的基础,这里面渗透着屠老总的毕生心血,应该说屠老总当初回归祖国的理想和愿望,在新中国的今天得到了完全实现。
zfss 发表于 2012-12-30 11:04 | 显示全部楼层
东风5的可储推进剂能保存多长时间似乎没报道过,前文看到的都是临时加注。能否说明东风5只有临战前加注,短期保存的能力,而不能执行长期快反值班

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应该不能,平时连弹头都不装,第一代弹道导弹本身就不是为快反迎击设计的,也不符合我们的核政策  发表于 2013-1-11 14:38
DF-5是第一代可贮液体洲际导弹,阀门与密封件耐腐蚀能力不够高,推进剂加注后,导弹待机发射时间不能太长。然后将推进剂排放干净,更新部件,检修后继续使用。  发表于 2013-1-4 20:34
mir-2 发表于 2013-3-3 19:04 | 显示全部楼层
http://tv.cntv.cn/video/C28175/e52695f9d4d74d9a5380a18d6d1e64d1  使命 第二集 艰难腾飞
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弹体上的斑纹很像后来航天八院在长征四号上采用的红白交错条纹。
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东风五号弹头组装。
中间部分就是核战斗部吧?

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mir-2 发表于 2013-6-4 22:15 | 显示全部楼层
http://tv.cntv.cn/video/C10530/efc3c19e28274f99ba9a3aae97000850  《和平年代》 20130520 东风破晓(上)
这幅屠守锷总师的画很不错。
这似乎是首次在电视节目中公开提到东五采用了地下井热发射以及“新型突防技术”——包括诱饵和突防设备。
视频中出现的室内垂直工作台架应该是承担一些测试任务使用的;几个工人在往弹体上固定很多“贴片”,不知何用;发射以及备用的两枚弹头对头放在一起;专家讨论的画面中可见第二级游机和涡轮泵。
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kktt 发表于 2013-6-4 23:49 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 kktt 于 2013-6-4 23:51 编辑

后面黑色的圆柱体是数据舱, 就是最后潜水员打捞上来的那个东西.

跟数据舱联在一起的弹头中间舱段里面是核战斗部, 目测最大直径和高度都是大约1.2 m.
mir-2 发表于 2013-6-5 01:04 | 显示全部楼层
http://tv.cntv.cn/video/C10530/2fb6bf319c504177b51740a866b0933a  《和平年代》 20130521 东风破晓(下)
这种陀螺平台在发射工位安装的装配流程是什么时候改变的?
长征机械厂
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这么精密的东西.....就这么折腾....  发表于 2013-10-5 00:21
mir-2 发表于 2013-6-16 08:44 | 显示全部楼层
老外网站上找到的小图,勤务塔正在吊装弹头。
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